Curse

ManadartheHealer · Sep 20, 2005, 02:59 AM // 02:59

You're running Philosophy and Psychology together. You have to decide what kind of answer you want. A philosophical answer will be more interesting than the psychological answer, to be sure

As time has kept progressing, I have been forcing myself to think more and more on the rational side. When I am in my right mind, I see nothing positive in it for me when I make brash decisions in the heat of the moment. But the problem is I keep running up against a gigantic wall that is the Irrational World

SOT · Sep 20, 2005, 03:02 AM // 03:02

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Originally Posted by Kurow

If you are happy then you are feeling emotion.

That is the single most mindless post from you I have ever seen.

Explain that in greater detail, because my bullshit-o-meter is primed for some serious education infusion soon...

PieXags · Sep 20, 2005, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by Kurow

No offense... but i dont think your comment came to any real conclusion about the subject. But on the subject of ideas, what are those based on? I think it is a reasonable thing to say that emotion and rational are the two building blocks that the human mind and its thinking ability is based on. So is it reasonable to say that they are the only things that matter?

'Course not. Ideas can be seperated into emotion and reason, yo. Everyone knows that! Kinda like everyone knows how vitamin C stops you from getting a cold! Right?! ...hehe...right?

And uh, Kurow, something you should know about PieXags. There is no conclusion.

chris_nin00 · Sep 20, 2005, 03:05 AM // 03:05

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Originally Posted by PieXags

'Course not. Ideas can be seperated into emotion and reason, yo. Everyone knows that! Kinda like everyone knows how vitamin C stops you from getting a cold! Right?! ...hehe...right?

And uh, Kurow, something you should know about PieXags. There is no conclusion.

Pie is the has no begining and end. It has a center, a middle of things. No knowledge these days...

Alone) · Sep 20, 2005, 03:09 AM // 03:09

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Originally Posted by Kurow

The hypothesis i created is that created was that rational thought never lead directly to any pleasure or satisfaction, and that only through emotions can humans enjoy life.

That's a good hypothesis. But I'll have to disagree, that you can lead yourself to pleasure or satisfaction through rational thoughts. Your example about sleep or party? If one were to think more ahead in the future, that person can take it as a better benefit.

Oh what is it that my teacher called it... something like "withold of gratification"

Going back to the party or sleep: If one were to choose sleep so one can pass his or her test or whatever, one woud be more prepared for it and more confident. In the end, one would be better off than those who partied who had to take the same test the next day. Getting more closer to finishing that class with a better grade, leading to good recommendations to colleges, to scholarships and whatever is possible.

ManadartheHealer · Sep 20, 2005, 03:14 AM // 03:14

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Originally Posted by PieXags

And uh, Kurow, something you should know about PieXags. There is no conclusion.

BUT, will there be whipped cream?

Sorry for adding my piece to the absurdity. Not like I'll stop, but it's getting late and things are not always making sense.

Kurow · Sep 20, 2005, 03:39 AM // 03:39

Im not talking about the long road ahead. Yes too much emotion makes for bad choices, but in the same respect too much rational makes for lack of enjoyment. Much like the mystery of things is inturn the beauty in them. One can appreciate the beauty of a wonderful day without analyzing it, but once one does pick it apart, it doesnt seem nearly as special.

To restate, I believe that rational does not DIRECTLY lead to any pleasure. Any thing we feel as a result of rational, or anything for that matter, is a product of emotion.

PieXags · Sep 20, 2005, 03:40 AM // 03:40

Does what you're talking about really matter in the grand scheme of things?

ManadartheHealer · Sep 20, 2005, 03:41 AM // 03:41

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Originally Posted by Kurow

Im not talking about the long road ahead. Yes too much emotion makes for bad choices, but in the same respect too much rational makes for lack of enjoyment. Much like the mystery of things is inturn the beauty in them. One can appreciate the beauty of a wonderful day without analyzing it, but once one does pick it apart, it doesnt seem nearly as special.

To restate, I believe that rational does not DIRECTLY lead to any pleasure. Any thing we feel as a result of rational, or anything for that matter, is a product of emotion.

When I think rationally, I feel good. I desire to understand my surroundings and myself. It directly leads to my happiness.

It may not be the same for everyone, but rational thought for me is pleasurable.

ManadartheHealer · Sep 20, 2005, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Originally Posted by PieXags

Does what you're talking about really matter in the grand scheme of things?

Yes, because the meaning of life may be as simple as personal enjoyment and fulfillment in ones life.

PieXags · Sep 20, 2005, 03:44 AM // 03:44

Yeah I'm going to assume that's another language for "not really".

Kurow · Sep 20, 2005, 03:45 AM // 03:45

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

When I think rationally, I feel good. I desire to understand my surroundings and myself. It directly leads to my happiness.

It may not be the same for everyone, but rational thought for me is pleasurable.

Are you sure that this feeling isnt derived from satisfaction?

ManadartheHealer · Sep 20, 2005, 03:52 AM // 03:52

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Originally Posted by Kurow

Are you sure that this feeling isnt derived from satisfaction?

Yes, I feel satisfied too. I do not think the feeling is derived from satisfaction, though.

When I haven't analyzed my surroundings, I am definitely not happy, content, etc.

You must understand, my mind is incredibly weird. I THINK for fun; it's what I do. Wondering if the chair across from me exists for a whole 30 minutes is fun, and trying to prove my point (to myself or an unlucky passer-by) for an equal amount of time amuses me to no end (perhaps a rather extreme example, but I have done this before during a time of intense boredom).

I can't just look at a work of art and say "Wow, that's amazing" and absorb in the aura of beauty. I think about what must have driven the artist to paint it, what dictated which colors he used, etc.

I can't just look at the sunset and admire it; my mind gets restless, because just sitting there looking on dumbly is boring to me. It's simply not interesting.

I notice when I let all my rational thoughts and such go out the window, bad stuff happens. Frankly, I lack common sense. I have around -1 common sense. I have tried this emotional route before (believe me), but it simply wasn't as...I think "fulfilling" works here...

Kurow · Sep 20, 2005, 04:16 AM // 04:16

The mystery and adventure of what inspired the painter also inspires emotion yes? I can understand how thinking is enjoyable, but i think that enjoyment is infact the product of an emotion.

ManadartheHealer · Sep 20, 2005, 04:36 AM // 04:36

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Originally Posted by Kurow

The mystery and adventure of what inspired the painter also inspires emotion yes? I can understand how thinking is enjoyable, but i think that enjoyment is infact the product of an emotion.

I have an insatiable curiosity, that is what inspired my thoughts and questions.

Thinking is enjoyable, and produces the emotion happiness. The emotion is the product.

I think when you are talking about emotion, you speak of brash choices where one doesn't think about the repercussions of their actions (or perhaps choices where one doesn't analyze the situation). As with the example in your first post, you talked about going to the party vs. studying.
Let's look at this with Freudian terms:

Id-You go to the party and disregard your responsibilities
Ego/Superego-You study, thus fulfilling your responsibilities and providing happiness in the long run

In this instance, you would label the Id's decision as "emotional" and the Ego's decision as "rational", correct?

Kurow · Sep 20, 2005, 04:44 AM // 04:44

Im talking about any sort of emotion at all. Even the smallest ones.

Link Ironhammer · Sep 20, 2005, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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ManadartheHealer · Sep 20, 2005, 05:03 AM // 05:03

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Originally Posted by Kurow

Im talking about any sort of emotion at all. Even the smallest ones.

Emotions are like Happiness, sadness, anger, etc. I didn't choose to analyze the psyche of the painter because I was angered or whatever, I chose to because I was curious.

Kurow · Sep 20, 2005, 05:56 AM // 05:56

is not curiosity an emotion?

SOT · Sep 20, 2005, 07:05 AM // 07:05

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Originally Posted by Kurow

Im not talking about the long road ahead. Yes too much emotion makes for bad choices, but in the same respect too much rational makes for lack of enjoyment. Much like the mystery of things is inturn the beauty in them. One can appreciate the beauty of a wonderful day without analyzing it, but once one does pick it apart, it doesnt seem nearly as special.

To restate, I believe that rational does not DIRECTLY lead to any pleasure. Any thing we feel as a result of rational, or anything for that matter, is a product of emotion.

However you presented the blanket statement that feeling happiness is not a rational entity, and is in fact emotion. Happiness and contentment are not merely tied to emotional well being, but thought processes as well, ergo rationale. So...no.

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Originally Posted by Kurow

is not curiosity an emotion?

No, curiosity is a mental state in which the mind 'wants to uncover something, to learn it', etc. That stems from neurons firing off in that direction, mind food hunter/gather if you will. Curiosity is a state of mind.